Pros. CC has to pay $170 a month for health coverage at his firm. Army Pay scales from Armed Forces, British Army Pay Review 2019 - armedforces.co.uk Special Forces Officers are team leaders and planners. According to the proposed 2017 pay charts, with over 2 years TIS you will make $4,564.92/month--aka $54,779.04/year. If I count all the ammo I've shot then I made six figures as a grunt. It requires a certain character, a certain type of psychological structure to fill in the shoes of someone in the military. MC is riding that sweet Tricare train. Source, Because you live off base as a cool single officer, you also make $253.63 in BAS! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Whoo! Further, understand certain benefits your position may give you once you transition into the civilian world (such as more hands on experience--like actual trial work and snagging a security clearance in the above example). Note: We are going to not compare a 4402 position to the rest of the public sector, because that's too easy of a win for the military. No one is that competitive to 18 year olds with no college or real work experience. School is expensive, man. You're assuming best case scenarios, which almost never happen. CC - has just landed a gig promising the promised median pay of $110,000! You get 50% of your bonus up front and the rest is paid over your entire enlistment. Remember, clear post titles get clear answers. As far as 10k-20k in student debt....that amount is nothing. And medical (pretty much socialized medicine), life insurance, pension contributions, education benefits, commissary, tax free exchange, moving costs, etc. An Army officer can receive a hardship duty pay when deployed to certain locations around the world. This sucks. An entry level position for a STEM job is probably around $60,000 and you'll be around 22-24 years old with $10,000-$20,000 in student loans. Yes, after taxes, rent, utilities, gas money, work clothes, food, health insurance, dental, vision, etc. No one gets rich in the military, officer or enlisted. That's why, as an E-3 in the barracks my PSMC was $50k. /u/sHORTYWZ is right... entry level is great, but there are probably better opportunities pay-wise once you hit the 8-10 year or so mark. You don't need a degree to do what I do. Do NOT choose the military life, or officer over enlisted, solely for the paycheck/benefits. for a kid fresh out of highschool with no "hookup" into a good job, its pretty decent pay, if you live out in town you obviously dont have to use ur full BAH either, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. What's the Pay Like? Yeah everyone in this thread seems to just be forgetting how little you make after you pay off all your expenses. (Doctor). If you want to join, fine, but lower your expectations for pay by a few magnitudes so you won't be disappointed. Your housing, electricity, water, and food are all free. As an Army Officer, you’ll take the lead of a team of soldiers. You can also use our Army Pay Calculator to calculate pay and allowances. I'll give you a limited example from the area I know (law), and you can extrapolate out using similar methods to what you're considering (which I assume is STEM-related): According to the latest mandated ABA reports, my school's median starting salary is $110,000. Military pay isn't designed to be competitive it's just designed to pay you enough to feel like a normal person. Do some research at sites like glassdoor.com if you're unsure. Fuck the government, Imma make my money! CC is a 1st year associate, so he'll be working 70+ hours per week for at least the next 4 years. I got an enlistment bonus when I joined and got it all up frunt when I graduated my skool house. Even the civilian contractors that perform the same job alongside military people will usually be paid 2x or 3x as much as the military counterpart. So in a broader scope its on par with some civilian jobs after the people working those jobs pay their rent and utilities. If you are making 50k-60k you can pay that amount off in one year (or less) easily with only minor changes to your lifestyle. An early career Army Officer with 1-4 years of experience earns an average total compensation (includes tips, bonus, and overtime pay) of £39,494 based on 5 salaries. It looks pretty appealing. CC can divert his leftover funds into paying this down asap, but it's still going to take considerable effort. The Army Chemical Officer is normally a 2nd or 1st Lieutenant, and they may be responsible for: -Controlling and commanding chemical operations with units and armed forces. Only a fraction of a percent of Americans can pay off only their phone bill every month and fuck off with the other $1500. Do your homework! It is designated considering individual preference, academic background, the manner of performance, training, and experience, and needs of the Army. For most people, we use the military as a stepping stone for better opportunities outside of the military. If you take into consideration the amount you would have to save/invest every year in order to generate a 20 year O-5 retirement, ($60,000-100,000 depending on how you calculate it), you're looking at an equivalent of $230,000-270,000 a year. For a complete pay table please click here. Benefit Highlights. Sweet! Pay charts can be found here. Cyber branch is a maneuver branch with the mission to conduct defensive and offensive cyberspace operations (DCO and OCO). See Department of Defense Financial Management Regulation for more detailed explanation on who is eligible for this special basic pay … BOOOO!! If placed on active duty you are eligible for the same Basic Pay as your active duty counterparts. Feel free to comment with more specifics. Stateside? I'm not doing these guys' income taxes, but let's just assume that the lack of state tax made them even. Beer money! You'll now return to school and do normal student things for 2 more years. If you really want to make money in the service then go the officer route or sign up for a special program that pays if you pass the course. Officers in the U.S. Army receive a monthly salary called basic pay, determined by the officer's current DoD paygrade. Yay! As a submarine officer with 10-11ish years in, my total compensation is around $155,000 before taxes. Nope. All around great guy that I'd love to see make General. (sorry, no DC to suck the political dick for when your contract is up) Your BAH is $2841.00/month or $34,092/year! A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. Your salary will increase as you climb in rank and years of experience. Press J to jump to the feed. There are many aspects to being an officer, both good and bad. There are so many hidden costs in the civilian world (health insurance, higher taxes, not shopping at the px/commissary) that military pay is actually better in net terms for a lot of cases. I make more money on the outside than I ever would in the navy. I know quite a few people that got out of the military around the 8 year mark and are drawing decent paychecks. That leaves plenty of time to shove his disposable income into strippers' G-strings. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the newtothenavy community. The 2020 drill pay tables reflect a 3.1% raise. I mean, I make ~70K now, yet with the increased cost of living I'm actually worse off than when I was in the military. If you really want to make money in the service then go the officer route or sign up for a special program that pays if you pass the course. Do you have what it takes? It really depends on what your job is outside of the Navy. Press J to jump to the feed. civilians have little disposable income. This pay table is used to determine the monthly basic pay for warrant officers in the Army. The numbers listed in the first charts are monthly base pay; base allowance for housing/subsistence will add more (calculated depending on where you live). Army Officers begin on a competitive starting salary of £31,000 after training, pension with contributions, subsidised accommodation with free meals, and free medical/dental cover.They Since this is a vague question, I will provide you with a bit of answer. My daughter is an active duty Army Captain. All military branches pay the same for e1, o1 etc. The military is unique in that a Cook or Clerk can make as much as a Engineer. Find out more about active duty pay. MC's kids ride free on that sweet Tricare train. All pay is publicly available and based on rank. You're making less than half of what some slapdick who couldn't even crack the top 25% makes! Basic Pay is electronically distributed on the 1st and 15th of every month, similar to many civilian jobs. COL (E) Aircrew at AS 29 519.74189,705 RADM MAJGENAVM LL5-2 714.35260,738 RADM MAJGENAVM ML 4 818.94298,914 Tier 1/2 (GSO 8) … Military pay isn't designed to be competitive it's just designed to pay you enough to feel like a normal person. The pay is decent. Source. Army Reserve Soldiers earn regular paychecks for monthly unit training and annual field training exercises. Fuck! This may be a no brainer, but it needs to be said anyway.A second lieutenant (O-1) that just commissioned in the Army will get paid almost double the … That's damn good considering the GI bill is still available, along special pay like combat pay, tax exemptions like sea service and reenlistment bonuses that come every four years. Veterinary Corps Officer (64) As an Army veterinary officer, you can practice in three primary areas: animal medicine, veterinary public health, and research and development. The Department of Defense states that hardship duty pay is based on mission and location assignment rates, or a combination of the two. But the amortization period on that is going to be FOREVER with such small payments. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Either way, military pay is outstanding. When an officer is deployed to a certain region to complete a mission, she receives an additional $150 per month, regardless of rank. He's a no-nonsense kind of guy, but completely personal even if you're the lowest of the joes, and he's always asking how you're doing and how such and such is going (like if you're going through G2G or some Army school). Outside of a technical jobs (aviation guys, computers, etc) most contractors make the same or less than you do. Look it up in the Web yourself, search enlisted pay vs officer pay. Army officer pay is in line with other graduate jobs. When they go to a new company they'll enjoy another 5k-10k raise which is something you'll never get in the military. A Re-enlistment bonus isn't paid straight cash money. The best officer I've seen so far is a COL I work with occasionally. Army officers range from paygrades O-1, Second Lieutenant, to O-10, General of the Army. You will be responsible for treating government-owned animals and the valued pets of … In general you won't get paid a lot. By U.S. Army Digital Media Division September 19, 2018. You get paid better! The Engineer Basic Officer Leader Course (EBOLC), formerly known as the Engineer Officer Basic Course (EOBC), is a training course for new commissioned officers selected for the United States Army Corps of Engineers.It is run at the U.S. Army Engineer School in Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, United States and lasts nineteen weeks and four days. Some of them are less obvious than the others. Basic Pay is the base salary for a Soldier on active duty and counts for part of total military income. 2. They are the ones who lead teams in various missions from counter-terrorism to special reconnaissance. This starts your TIS for pay purposes (important). An officer receives his or her functional area between the fifth and sixth years of service. That's like a used car loan. That's odd. My son is a National Guard Captain. It's not only the pay, but the tax-free BAH and Tricare (especially if you have a family and double-especially if they have major allergies or illnesses). Image: army.mil. With tax benefits, health care, various commercial savings, you're looking at probably around $170,000. You have to be married to get that much. Below is a listing of the Branches and F… Cyber is the only branch designed to directly engage threats within the cyberspace domain. Plus, his work week is going to be geared towards the 40-50hr range (mostly). Think about that and the repercussions it has. Here are 7 high paying military jobs that pay big bucks in the civilian world. Add onto that the giant retention bonuses for some communities and some of the education opportunities available as well. But DAMNIT! MC has just finished Naval Justice School and pinned on Captain (O-3). Good on him, now he's only paying his federal rate. I am going to write this from the outside looking in. Run a search first, and then post your question. Edit: In other words, military pay is not competitive. Basic pay rate for Academy Cadets/Midshipmen and ROTC members/applicants is $1,150.50. I can make 70k on the outside doing what I do now with no degree. That's 15k up front and then 208 dollars for 72 months after that. NOTES: 1. 5 years ago. As far as how it compares to civilian sector pay, that depends entirely on what you'd be doing in the civilian world. Fucking double taxed! Well you've got to assume once they make mid rank they'll be staying until retirement. Hopefully most stay the 10 years required im commission to retire on officer pay. A place for potential Marines to get their questions answered. TL;DR: Do the research on the position you want and the pay it will have at different steps compared to your own Civilian Comparison. One of the most difficult Army officer jobs is in the special forces realm. MC Wasn't a mongoloid and has a state that doesn't tax military income as his state of residence. CC has to pay $390/month for the family plan so his kids can see a doctor. Please forget everything you just said. You’ll pick up the fundamentals of being a leader: mentorship, influence, problem solving, decision making, and much more. How does your average motivator discover, verify, and set his (or her) state of legal residence such that he (or she) is able to make the most of said tax advantages? With a family to provide for that pay evaporates rather quickly. MC can show a lower basic income and qualify for income-based repayment that will have a lower monthly minimum payments. With tax benefits, health care, various commercial savings, you're looking at probably around $170,000. It’s your life! There are other modifying factors that depend on what you do, like flight pay. Army Special Forces Officer at Fort Bragg, NC. If it was such a good optio... don't you think more people would do it? This person will be call Military Comparison (MC). Its all about perspective. I was enlisted for 23 years. Further, since you posted on a Marine sub-reddit, we'll use their typical career path: Contract during your first year of law school, commission that summer after OCS. See the Basic Pay fact sheet for the details. To determine your pay rate, first choose your paygrade (from W-1 to W-5) and then find the row that corresponds with your number of years' experience in the Army. Basic Pay for a Soldier depends on length of service as well as rank (most enlisted Soldiers enter the Army as … A functional area is a grouping of officers by technical specialty or skill, which usually requires significant education, training, and experience. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Fuck! OTHER BENEFITS On top of the many financial benefits and opportunities that you'll receive, you'll get to enhance and develop your professional qualifications, giving you transferrable skills that are recognised and respected by civilian employers. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I've done research on jobs in the civilian sector with my work experience and nothing comes close with pay. Obviously we don’t want people volunteering to commission into the military simply because of the pay, but we also don’t want potentially awesome and high performing people to avoid the military because it doesn’t appear to be competitive with the civilian market. Nope. There’s no leadership experience required. However you don't pay rent or bills or anything like that. Plus you get 30 days of vacation every year and a shit ton of holidays. But I have served with a lot awesome officers and some bad ones. Sweet! Don't start spending money on things you don't really need to spend money on and you can do just fine. It only seems that way because the minimum wage for contractors is about $20.40/hr. FUCK! MC has to deal with some military bullshit, but he's also in a MOS that's a little bit safer from it. Pay rates for officers of the Regular Force and Reservists on Class C service are listed below by rank, within each occupation groups. Well, except MC qualifies for Public Service Loan Forgiveness after 10 years of minimum payments, and part of his re-contracting incentive involves money for repayment of outstanding loans. At least he won't have time to spend his paycheck, right? Let's factor in pay beyond your basic pay: CONGRATS! A retired officer who served in the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force celebrated his 100th birthday today. However, I would give the military a minor nod in this situation with regards to pay, and likely regarding work-life balance (at least in my opinion)--which many find to be an "invaluable" part of their employment. It helps, yeah, but it's not absolutely necessary. Am I missing something here or does the military pay extraordinarily well and even better than the civilian world? amount which government employees receive depending on the category Absolutely. Sweet! Serving in the military is something not everyone is capable of. Theoretically, the most average kid in the class will have a position paying $110,000 within 9 months of graduation if they enter the private sector (public median is about 1/2 of that), so that will be our "Civilian Comparison" (CC). Source. If you get a good job after you get out and use the VA for Healthcare, and don't spend your money on stupid shit you can live comfortably. The average of recent medians is slightly higher, but that also includes pre-recession numbers. Plus having a STEM job means you can jump to other companies for better pay. E-4 with over 4 years is around $2400, plus BAH (assuming you get married) for Pendleton is around another $2400, which works out to be in the ballpark of $57,000. Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook Army National Guard Entry Level As a Psychological Operations Officer, you’ll be a master of persuasion and influence, and an expert in political trends, cultural trends, and attitudes of the people in your given area of operation. And no matter what on the 1st and 15th you get paid the same amount, so there's no need to worry about making up hours or whatever. Pay For Army Reserve Soldiers. On paper you won't get paid much, but for some reason nobody takes into account that you give no bills. Once BAH and other allowances are factored in, it's decent for entry level, but starts to diverge at the mid ranks. I mean im just a kid but to me military pay looks really solid especially considering how hard it is for college grads to get jobs right now in certain fields. Navy Army $ pa RAAF Point 123Rank 1 73,988 78,499 83,700 88,208 93,236 98,869 104, 110,643521 116,765 ... Aviation Pay Structure Legal Officers Medical Officers Class Level $ pa $/day Navy Army RAAF Level $ pa $/day Navy Army RAAF Level $ pa $/day 4. Yeah, there are two horror stories I've heard about that. Some regional differences are there, but usually contractors are not raking in that much over you when you consider all the expenses they have to pay out of pocket (as stated, healthcare, disability insurance, taxes, etc). You’ll receive world-class training to reach your full leadership potential at the Royal Military College. Note: The following military pay scale is applicable to O-1 to O-3 with at least 4 years and 1 day of active duty or more than 1,460 points as a warrant and/or enlisted member. The only difference is when overseas, civilian pay will be considerably higher. Thanks, Uncle Sam. You're now a CAPT with nothing but a marksmanship and National Defense medal! Thanks Uncle Sam! -Coordination of chemical soldiers at every level from platoon to company, battalion and higher, in both multinational and United States Army operations. U.S. Army Career Corner: An interview with Paul Maness, Army Reserve officer. From free health insurance to half your income being tax-exempt (if receiving BAS/BAH) the benefits are immediately obvious - all of your pay is essentially disposable income. That's another $3,043.56/year. Both of these guys came out with $90k in debt. As a civilian contractor, I just cannot agree with that last statement. End Result It comes out about even, really. Lets say you sign up for six years and get 30k. That fuckboi who got a B- in Torts is still making more than you, though.... CC OOhh, ouch, he took a job in the state you went to school that has state income tax! 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